<![CDATA[Breast Growth For Genetic Males - The Endocrine System]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/ Sun, 12 Apr 2026 22:15:14 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[progesterone / too fast breast growth?]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=34998 Fri, 27 Feb 2026 14:44:24 +0000 nephele]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=34998
i saw a video on youtube by nicole nadire, who recounted her decisions made along her ~3.5 year transition journey (from male to female) and she mentioned being grateful her dr (powers (*)) that he adviced her to wait ~2 years until starting progesterone, to let her breasts get a good start. she explained that taking progesterone too early results in too fast breast growth according to dr powers, and that "the little bulb in there will not develop correctly". i've heard about progesterone terminating ducts but this is the first time i hear about "too fast" breast growth being something caused by progesterone? usually i've read that progesterone slows the progress down but ensures the breast develops wholly and not just in a cone-like projection. and 2 years of hrt until starting progesterone? the usual tip is to wait until budding has happened and then start prog. 2 years seems pretty conservative?

does anyone have any more information about this? what is "too fast breast growth" and how does progesterone cause this when introduced earlier than 2 years into hrt?

this is the video, around 8 minutes she talks about progesterone. https://youtu.be/xgzuS3EJ7kA?t=478




(*) i have mostly mixed/negative position towards dr powers' practice, from what i've read, the guy seems pretty happy to post all kinds of opinions around the internet without backing them up or citing anecdotes about his patients and calling them scientific facts. also i can't help but feel pretty angry about him trying to pretend he understands what it's like to be trans just because he used some estrogen cream on his face and got what he calls mild dysphoria for a whole of two days. he also doesn't seem to mind all that publicity at all. there's tons of warning stories about him like like this but as mentioned there and elsewhere, his cult-like following really hates anyone criticising him and seeks to silence dissonant voices.

so i'm pretty skeptical about this whole thing just based on who the info is coming from, but you never know.]]>
i saw a video on youtube by nicole nadire, who recounted her decisions made along her ~3.5 year transition journey (from male to female) and she mentioned being grateful her dr (powers (*)) that he adviced her to wait ~2 years until starting progesterone, to let her breasts get a good start. she explained that taking progesterone too early results in too fast breast growth according to dr powers, and that "the little bulb in there will not develop correctly". i've heard about progesterone terminating ducts but this is the first time i hear about "too fast" breast growth being something caused by progesterone? usually i've read that progesterone slows the progress down but ensures the breast develops wholly and not just in a cone-like projection. and 2 years of hrt until starting progesterone? the usual tip is to wait until budding has happened and then start prog. 2 years seems pretty conservative?

does anyone have any more information about this? what is "too fast breast growth" and how does progesterone cause this when introduced earlier than 2 years into hrt?

this is the video, around 8 minutes she talks about progesterone. https://youtu.be/xgzuS3EJ7kA?t=478




(*) i have mostly mixed/negative position towards dr powers' practice, from what i've read, the guy seems pretty happy to post all kinds of opinions around the internet without backing them up or citing anecdotes about his patients and calling them scientific facts. also i can't help but feel pretty angry about him trying to pretend he understands what it's like to be trans just because he used some estrogen cream on his face and got what he calls mild dysphoria for a whole of two days. he also doesn't seem to mind all that publicity at all. there's tons of warning stories about him like like this but as mentioned there and elsewhere, his cult-like following really hates anyone criticising him and seeks to silence dissonant voices.

so i'm pretty skeptical about this whole thing just based on who the info is coming from, but you never know.]]> <![CDATA[Estrogen and Lupus]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=32530 Wed, 04 Jun 2025 08:26:44 +0000 nobody1985]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=32530
i just want to make everyone aware of a situation that might hit others as well and which is not discussed.

As a male you have generally lower estrogen levels by nature.
Lupus is a genetic condition that is linked to estrogen.
9 out of 10 patients are female for a reason.

So if you shift your hormones more in the direction of estrogen, it can and will happen that the lupus will bloom.
You will never know Lupus at all if you keep your male hormone levels.

For those who do not know Lupus, its a auto immune disease.
It can affect nearly any organ, also your brain, heart, kidneys, liver, etc. and it will lead to death if not treated.

So please consider this and check Lupus symptoms when start and keep track of how your body might change.]]>
i just want to make everyone aware of a situation that might hit others as well and which is not discussed.

As a male you have generally lower estrogen levels by nature.
Lupus is a genetic condition that is linked to estrogen.
9 out of 10 patients are female for a reason.

So if you shift your hormones more in the direction of estrogen, it can and will happen that the lupus will bloom.
You will never know Lupus at all if you keep your male hormone levels.

For those who do not know Lupus, its a auto immune disease.
It can affect nearly any organ, also your brain, heart, kidneys, liver, etc. and it will lead to death if not treated.

So please consider this and check Lupus symptoms when start and keep track of how your body might change.]]> <![CDATA[PM after Trt]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=32427 Thu, 24 Apr 2025 13:53:48 +0000 Jimmyzoomzoom]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=32427 <![CDATA[Is it safe to only block DHT?]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31789 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:35:16 +0000 basedandfempilled]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31789
I was been thinking about taking Red Reishi Mushroom and Green Tea to lower my DHT levels without killing my Testosterone so as to not permanently damage my fertility while getting rid of most of the bad effects of being male quite frankly. My main worry is this could cause health issues without replacing with estrogen, especially for my bone density.

Has anyone had experience with this, and if this is the case, would it be possible to supplement with only a tiny amount of PM or something of the like to offset the health issues caused?]]>
I was been thinking about taking Red Reishi Mushroom and Green Tea to lower my DHT levels without killing my Testosterone so as to not permanently damage my fertility while getting rid of most of the bad effects of being male quite frankly. My main worry is this could cause health issues without replacing with estrogen, especially for my bone density.

Has anyone had experience with this, and if this is the case, would it be possible to supplement with only a tiny amount of PM or something of the like to offset the health issues caused?]]> <![CDATA[Precum: What biological cause makes the Cowpers gland to produce it?]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31639 Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:40:54 +0000 prostatenipple]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31639

This has been a topic of interest for me for a while.
I don't have much pre-cum (none at all, to maybe a drop), unless I strain on the toiled while passing a bowel movement (rarely causes precum).

What makes it more likely to occur, is taking the Pygeum herb. This is well known for a lot of men.

Why does this work to increase precum?
I've not found anything reliable online when searching!
There seems to be no knowledge on what causes the Cowper's gland to produce it, nor how to increase production.

Coming back to Pygeum, the notes I have:
- reduces the level of DHT
- reduces Prolactin levels
- block the accumulation of cholesterol in the prostate
- reduces the number of sites where DHT can attach
- inhibits 5-alpha reductase
- contains phytosterols

What of the above, causes the increase of precum / increase of activity of the Cowper's gland?

I found this:
"A neglected gland: a review of Cowper's gland"
BILAL CHUGHTAI, AHMED SAWAS, REBECCA L. O'MALLEY, ROHAN R. NAIK, S. ALI KHAN, SRINIVAS PENTYALA
First published: 21 March 2005
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2605.2005.00499.x

Which says (under the Embryology section)
Quote:Moreover, Cowper's glands are most significantly under the control of dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

Is that it? Do we not have anyone studying this part of the male anatomy?

If Cowper's is under the control of DHT, then why does reducing DHT via Pygeum classically increase precum production?

@Lotus might be able to help?]]>

This has been a topic of interest for me for a while.
I don't have much pre-cum (none at all, to maybe a drop), unless I strain on the toiled while passing a bowel movement (rarely causes precum).

What makes it more likely to occur, is taking the Pygeum herb. This is well known for a lot of men.

Why does this work to increase precum?
I've not found anything reliable online when searching!
There seems to be no knowledge on what causes the Cowper's gland to produce it, nor how to increase production.

Coming back to Pygeum, the notes I have:
- reduces the level of DHT
- reduces Prolactin levels
- block the accumulation of cholesterol in the prostate
- reduces the number of sites where DHT can attach
- inhibits 5-alpha reductase
- contains phytosterols

What of the above, causes the increase of precum / increase of activity of the Cowper's gland?

I found this:
"A neglected gland: a review of Cowper's gland"
BILAL CHUGHTAI, AHMED SAWAS, REBECCA L. O'MALLEY, ROHAN R. NAIK, S. ALI KHAN, SRINIVAS PENTYALA
First published: 21 March 2005
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2605.2005.00499.x

Which says (under the Embryology section)
Quote:Moreover, Cowper's glands are most significantly under the control of dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

Is that it? Do we not have anyone studying this part of the male anatomy?

If Cowper's is under the control of DHT, then why does reducing DHT via Pygeum classically increase precum production?

@Lotus might be able to help?]]> <![CDATA[Lotus: 5ar inhibitor use to lower DHT causes low libido?]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31637 Fri, 12 Jan 2024 14:34:00 +0000 prostatenipple]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31637  

Just been looking over some DHT notes you did a while ago.

You are basically saying (forgive me, not had a chance to read it all) that we should use 5-ar inhibitors to lower DHT, so we have more estrogen for NBE, and more free T for libido.

But I've heard (and possibly experienced myself) post-finesteride syndrome (me: via pygeum) that dropped my libido to an extreme level. Nothing but anecdotal evidence sadly.

What might be the mechanism for this? Your notes and some reading I've done in the past suggest this should be ok - decrease DHT, increase free T, and you get more libido. But some people suggest that higher DHT is better for libido (I've experienced much larger flacid hangs after a few days/weeks of Butea Suberba, which is supposed to increase DHT), and there are some people (mostly on Reddit) that say that DHT is not needed in the male body at all past puberty.

Would be fascinated by your thoughts.   Blush]]>  

Just been looking over some DHT notes you did a while ago.

You are basically saying (forgive me, not had a chance to read it all) that we should use 5-ar inhibitors to lower DHT, so we have more estrogen for NBE, and more free T for libido.

But I've heard (and possibly experienced myself) post-finesteride syndrome (me: via pygeum) that dropped my libido to an extreme level. Nothing but anecdotal evidence sadly.

What might be the mechanism for this? Your notes and some reading I've done in the past suggest this should be ok - decrease DHT, increase free T, and you get more libido. But some people suggest that higher DHT is better for libido (I've experienced much larger flacid hangs after a few days/weeks of Butea Suberba, which is supposed to increase DHT), and there are some people (mostly on Reddit) that say that DHT is not needed in the male body at all past puberty.

Would be fascinated by your thoughts.   Blush]]> <![CDATA[Estrogenic Second Puberty 101]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31436 Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:24:29 +0000 Stevenator_]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=31436
This article is very informative in regards to what changes to expect from HRT. It goes into great detail besides bigger boobs & butt.

https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en/second-puberty-fem]]>
This article is very informative in regards to what changes to expect from HRT. It goes into great detail besides bigger boobs & butt.

https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en/second-puberty-fem]]> <![CDATA[help with hormone values]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=29223 Mon, 20 May 2019 14:57:12 +0000 evy71]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=29223

Oestradiol 0.15
Progesteron < 0.159
Lh 4.9
Prolactine 92
Testeron 11.6
It is strange that my progesteron is so low, i am taking during 8 months 2000 pm a day and last month maca 300.
I am 72 years old, wearing a bra 42 b cup. Nice butt and hips.
Libido is very low no interest in sex at all.
Question are these values normal 
One of my problems are also that i am phisical tired.
With love Evy]]>

Oestradiol 0.15
Progesteron < 0.159
Lh 4.9
Prolactine 92
Testeron 11.6
It is strange that my progesteron is so low, i am taking during 8 months 2000 pm a day and last month maca 300.
I am 72 years old, wearing a bra 42 b cup. Nice butt and hips.
Libido is very low no interest in sex at all.
Question are these values normal 
One of my problems are also that i am phisical tired.
With love Evy]]> <![CDATA[Getting started - Test results]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=29013 Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:50:26 +0000 Silviasecret]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=29013
Testosterone serum 343 (normal range 264-916) so it looks like I’m already on the low end

Estradiol 32.2 (normal range 7.6-42.6) so I’m on the high end

LH and FSH serum were marked as high are almost double the high end of the normal range.

Can anyone help me interpret these results and see what the best course might be?  Like many, my goal is covert changes with breasts and a subtle feminine changes that most wont notice. My plan is BO with Red Maca.

Thank you in advance for all your help!]]>
Testosterone serum 343 (normal range 264-916) so it looks like I’m already on the low end

Estradiol 32.2 (normal range 7.6-42.6) so I’m on the high end

LH and FSH serum were marked as high are almost double the high end of the normal range.

Can anyone help me interpret these results and see what the best course might be?  Like many, my goal is covert changes with breasts and a subtle feminine changes that most wont notice. My plan is BO with Red Maca.

Thank you in advance for all your help!]]> <![CDATA[Prolactin test]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28469 Tue, 19 Jun 2018 23:08:35 +0000 Billie]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28469 <![CDATA[`Real` vs Mimic...?]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28143 Sat, 24 Feb 2018 10:21:33 +0000 Katie]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28143
Thanks! xx]]>
Thanks! xx]]> <![CDATA[Which food is best (HRT cycling)]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28074 Wed, 31 Jan 2018 13:22:58 +0000 Katie]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28074
I`m Guessing that during the Progesterone part of the cycle that Proteins would be best, and the Estrogen part wpould be best served with greater carbs (like chocolate! for example Big Grin )

my "Logic" and I could have this completely backwards or something, is that estrogen to lay down Fat, and Progesterone stimulates Tissue growth so would need more protein.
I know that`s a bit simplistic, but does it make any Scientific sense to do it this way? xx]]>
I`m Guessing that during the Progesterone part of the cycle that Proteins would be best, and the Estrogen part wpould be best served with greater carbs (like chocolate! for example Big Grin )

my "Logic" and I could have this completely backwards or something, is that estrogen to lay down Fat, and Progesterone stimulates Tissue growth so would need more protein.
I know that`s a bit simplistic, but does it make any Scientific sense to do it this way? xx]]> <![CDATA[on Chromosomes.]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28058 Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:47:36 +0000 Katie]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28058
http://transhopeunited.org/i-am-more-tha...romosomes/]]>
http://transhopeunited.org/i-am-more-tha...romosomes/]]> <![CDATA[Thyroid health]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28005 Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:21:52 +0000 Tanya Marie Squirrel]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=28005
NOW Thyroid Energy,90 Veg Capsules (amazon)

Ingredients

Vitamin B-6 (from Pyndoxine HCl), Folate (as Folic Acid), Vitamin B-12 (as Methylcobalamin), Iodine (from Potassium Iodide), Zinc (from L-Optizinc® - Zinc L-Methionine Complex), Selenium (from L-Selenomethionine) (Yeast-Free), Copper (from Copper Amino Acid Chelate), L-Tyrosine (Free-Form), Irish Moss (Chondius Crispus) (Thallus), Guggul (Commiphora mukul) (myrrh Resinous Sap) Standardized Extract (min. 2.5% Guggulsterones), Organic Kelp (Laminaria digitata) (Whole Plant), Ashwagandha (Witharia sommifera) (Root) Standardized Extract (min. 4.5% Withanolides), Concentrace® Trace Minerals, Other Ingredients: Cellulose (capsule), Magnesium Stearate (vegetable source), Cellulose and Silica. Contains no sugar, salt, wheat, gluten, soy, milk, egg or preservatives.

on day 1, I had noticeable aches in both breasts. also daily  continued aches and "feeling of fullness/awareness " of them. nipples sensitive. 

Not sure if there is any particular reason or if this is a one-off side effect. 
just thought I would throw it out there for people to investigate.]]>
NOW Thyroid Energy,90 Veg Capsules (amazon)

Ingredients

Vitamin B-6 (from Pyndoxine HCl), Folate (as Folic Acid), Vitamin B-12 (as Methylcobalamin), Iodine (from Potassium Iodide), Zinc (from L-Optizinc® - Zinc L-Methionine Complex), Selenium (from L-Selenomethionine) (Yeast-Free), Copper (from Copper Amino Acid Chelate), L-Tyrosine (Free-Form), Irish Moss (Chondius Crispus) (Thallus), Guggul (Commiphora mukul) (myrrh Resinous Sap) Standardized Extract (min. 2.5% Guggulsterones), Organic Kelp (Laminaria digitata) (Whole Plant), Ashwagandha (Witharia sommifera) (Root) Standardized Extract (min. 4.5% Withanolides), Concentrace® Trace Minerals, Other Ingredients: Cellulose (capsule), Magnesium Stearate (vegetable source), Cellulose and Silica. Contains no sugar, salt, wheat, gluten, soy, milk, egg or preservatives.

on day 1, I had noticeable aches in both breasts. also daily  continued aches and "feeling of fullness/awareness " of them. nipples sensitive. 

Not sure if there is any particular reason or if this is a one-off side effect. 
just thought I would throw it out there for people to investigate.]]> <![CDATA[What are your recommendations on how I should use my new progeserone cream?]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=27831 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 20:15:51 +0000 AzShannonCD]]> https://www.breastnexum.com/showthread.php?tid=27831