[prostatenipple]

Thank you 

Interesting reading.

I do have 3 or so tubes of DHEA cream from Biovea still. And 2 of progesterone cream.

From what you are saying, I should start using just the DHEA cream on my breasts and nipples and skip PM. And maybe use Progesterone cream.
Right?

I've budded on both sides, one side the NHS confirmed with ultrasound, the other side feels the same (but slightly smaller).

I dont have a big chest at all, looks quite small. Am I still in the phase that needs more estrogen (and therefore just DHEA cream) instead of in the phase where I need to work on side branching with Prog?

Earlier posts were confusing because it seemed like the TCP needed 3 things: estrogen cream, dhea cream, and progesterone cream. And maybe even RC in a cream suspension.

What is the normal DHEA / prog dose?
Each pump of the Biovea DHEA cream is 15mg DHEA, so that's 4 pumps per day, with 2 pumps in the morning and 2 pumps in the evening?
How much Prog cream should I use at this stage, if any at all?


Thank you!
I have lots of RR extract and spearmint and I can get more.

I'm not extire sure about the use of PM on the side of this, but I would just skip it just to be sure there wont be receptor conflicts. And because there are so many better methods than PM. I'm obviously talking about bioidentical hormone treatments, TCP being one of them. And then of course using plant based stuff and vitamins, amino acids etc. to boost the effects and for the health benefits.

Don't overlook progesterone regardless of your development phase, its likely beneficial even at the very beginning. This is a thing that's about school of thought, people have differing ideas on how to proceed with Prog, I think it should be there all the way, especially when on conventional HRT. You don't need to worry about which way your boobs grow at first as they're following your genetic map for it and beginning stages are mostly all projection for quite long time. In T3 there's some fullness and T4 stage is almost solely projection and finally in T5 its both biut mostly side branching. That's the normal way it goes but there's a ton of YMMV situation here. Not two people are perfectly alike.

Those are the main ingredients of it which work amazingly together, but its DHEA and prog which together domost of the heavy lifting. It will work without additional estradiol, but having that makes it a bit more efficient. I'm speaking from my personal experience on this. 

There is no "normal" dose, just what has been recommended. I did 30mg/30mg on both of them at first, then later with some tweaking with how I'm sourcing stuff I've upped the DHEA incrementally and noted that higher is a bit better, with obviously effective dose starting at 50mg and getting better when higher. This may have quite a bit of individual variance. The 60mg split morning and evening is Lotus's recommendation. With prog it seems that more is more, I've been taking 200mg, right now on alternating days I take it boofed and on TCP days topically. 

I don't really know what to recommend as some kind of a one size fits all dosing, I think Lotus had a good idea on her recs, based on the idea of using the ready made creams for those doses obviously makes sense. For me, both quite a lot higher has been better approach as I've made it bit more affordable. (Note that the herbal additions, absorbtion enchancer etc., make TCP quite expensive, the basic form of it is cheaper.)

Perhaps you should use same dosing on both DHEA and Prog creams as you have them readily available?

This is what my topical program is currently, done every other day:
Approx 1ts 25% DMSO cream
200mg Prog from capsule
125mg Micronised DHEA as powder from capsules
2mg E2 from Estrogel
10 drops 100% Volufiline oil
20 drops RC extract
20 drops Ginseng extract
128ng(Nanograms) IGF-1 from 8 sprays Deer Antler Velvet
10000iu Vitamin D3

RC, Ginseng and Deer Antler Velvet are applied on and around areolas after the rest of the stuff is applied to keep it all in the target area. I took a break from having Cayenne extract in the mix due to my neck and shoulders having an eczema flare going on. Getting capsiacin on already inflamed and broken skin makes things a lot worse so I'm off of it for now.

Thanks HN, really much appreciated.

I will order more DHEA and Prog cream - biovea has a promotion before 1st Feb, so will grab some more.

[Heaven's Night]

Time for a little update on TCP.

I've been doing the Deer Antler Velvet for almost three months as part of it, I've upped the dose into five sprays per breast, which correcsponds to about 160ng of IGF-1. That's nanograms so tiny amount. But even so, this seems to have undeniable positive effect on brast growth. I have done some other tweaks to my program over all since then, but there's been a definite growth spurt on top of growth spurt since then. DAV I have is bought from Pipingrock. I have had one of these few years ago, but it was the milder version whereas this one is double strentgth. Note that I've done the topicals only every other day for quite some time to save money and have bit more relaxed evening routine and yet this change has been quite prominent. I highly suggest DAV along with the vitamin D3 oil to give your IGF-1 levels a topical boost, its very effective.





Here's how my TCP program looks like currently, in order as I do it:

Mix the following together well:
DMSO 25% cream, approx. 1 teaspoon
125mg DHEA, micronised from 25mg capsules
1mg Estrogel (Estradiol hemihydrate)
200mg Progesterone, gel from capsule (Swallow what's left of the capsule after emptying)
Volufiline 10 drops
Vitamin D3 oil 20000iu from capsules

Spray disinfectant on boobs so no unwanted bacteria etc. enters skin barrier due to DMSO aided high absorbtion.
Dermaroll lightly using 1mm dermaroller.
Apply the above stuff evenly on entire breast, apply possible excess cream on your hips, butt and thighs.
Apply following directly on your boobs, doses are totals.

DAV 10 sprays
Red Clover Extract 20 drops
Ginseng extract 20 drops
Cayenne extra 20 drops

Finally let everything absorb for a while, I try to wait about 20 minutes or so and then wear a top of some kind and go catch some dreams.  I keep it on all night so there's many hours during which the stuff absorbs. Taking advantage of nighttime hormone levels, HGH boost from amino acids and the time when your body heals and grows. I think this is the easiest way to do this, twice a day would be a huge hassle for me so every other day just before sleep is perfect.

Btw, take note that in its simplicity, the TCP can be just DHEA, P4 and E2 and nothing else. DMSO for absorbtion is really extremely good to add, all other ingredients are there to give the core of the program a boost. I think the most useful additions are D3 oil, DAV and Red Clover extract. Deer Antler Velvet should not be overlooked, the effect is simply that good.

[Graceful Curves]

@Heaven's Night:

Deer Antler Velvet--mmmm...that sounds interesting.  I can buy Bucked Up brand DAV at a local GNC.  But I looked at the label and it doesn't have the IGF-1 listed.  So I suppose I should buy the Piping Rock brand online instead?

How quickly after starting DAV topically did you start noticing results?  The directions say spray in mouth, but I'd prefer rubbing it on topically if that will work.

Shown below:  Label from Bucked Up.

   

[Heaven's Night]

@Heaven's Night:

Deer Antler Velvet--mmmm...that sounds interesting.  I can buy Bucked Up brand DAV at a local GNC.  But I looked at the label and it doesn't have the IGF-1 listed.  So I suppose I should buy the Piping Rock brand online instead?

How quickly after starting DAV topically did you start noticing results?  The directions say spray in mouth, but I'd prefer rubbing it on topically if that will work.

Shown below:  Label from Bucked Up.

Yea the mouth thing is a thing on the label, I'm not doing that as that would just result tiny boost to over all levels. How mush, I don't know but likely not a lot. I'm not sure about the labelling convention in these things, the Pipingrock one does say how much it is per serving. 

Very quickly, I think it was within two weeks. I should try to do some sort of a timeline to show it, starting from some time before and then after adding DAV. But keep in mind I've done other changes which have had more dramatci effect. More on that later.

[Stevenator_]

Nice!

[Denisem]

Thanks for the update Heaven! Much appreciated

[Graceful Curves]

Okay--I just bought the Piping Rock Deer Antler Velvet online.  Should arrive next week.  Will try it and report back.  Thanks for the tip, HN!

   

[Heaven's Night]

Okay--I just bought the Piping Rock Deer Antler Velvet online.  Should arrive next week.  Will try it and report back.  Thanks for the tip, HN!

Btw, one thing to remember about this. Or actually make it two, firstly that its likely on its best as part of the full topical protocol with the core ingredients present. Secondly I'm not sure how well it can absorb on its own, I have some doubts on that. But knowing how effective DMSO cream is pushing absobrtion likely several times the normal, its not that surprising its been helpful.

On this I followed the idea Lotus had about using vitamin D3 oil to boost local IGF-1 levels, I thought that hey there's DAV which could do it too so why not try. Also if someone is mad enough to try MK-667 to do the same, that would likely give mind blowing crazy boost to it, but I would be extremely cautious with it.

I don't think I remember to mention it often enough that this stuff is highly experiemental and what I do, may not be in everybody's best interest. Stuff that tweaks growth hormone and different growth factors could make cancerous growth go ballistic and that could be fatally dangerous. So a word of warning here, what makes tits grow also makes everything else grow, especially hormone sensitive cancers.

But then again, anyone who's not in high risk situation, young enough and in generally good health likely has nothing to be worried about. This is nowhere near the kind of insane juicing bodybuilders do for example, we're playing with minuscule doses and localised effects on TCP.

[AliceDydro]

PM is ineffective in comparison to bioidentical hormones. The stuff in birth control pills is not progesterone, those are progestins which mimic progesterone's effect to some degree which might or might not be useful. I don't know which exact part is doing how much of it. But something is obviously working then.

Most progestins also have anti-DHT effects, even in the low doses of birth control pills.

Do you know if topical use of red maca would be effective? It has some progestin-like effects.

[Heaven's Night]

Progestins are never as good as bioidentical progesterone. Possible receptor conflicts etc. 

No idea about maca, someone try it out and see if it does anything? Its adaptogenic, I'm not sure how it would react topically. Or if it even absorbs, depends on how its applied. liquid extract might work out along with absorbtion enhancing stuff such as mild DMSO.