06-02-2026, 12:11 PM
Hmmm... I'm all up for labels as long as they carry scientific meaning, and I strongly believe that nobody should be offendedby a label if it's only used with its scientific meaning. In a forum like this, where we talk about hormones, phytohormones, aromatase, etc... I think it's extremely important that we use some classification to differentiate between different biological sexes.
There are a lot of people who are intersex, some say up to 7% of the population, but the vast majority still falls within the standard XY and XX genotypes. Those are the GM and GG (should be GM (genetic males) and GF (genetic females), to be honest, since Girl is a social term that has to do with gender and not with gender and not with biology). The AMAB and AFAB definitions only tell part of the story because intersex pople are usually assigned M or F at birth anyway.
One can hold the grudge against nature, against a god, against their parents... as much as they want for their genetic markup, but that is there to stay, and it will drive the physiological responses to whatever is injected, eaten, and quite possibly felt for the rest of their life. One may not like it, but it is important. I seriously struggle to understand how one person, in a forum like this or in a medical environment, can get angry against clinical facts. It's as if a post-SRS transex woman ( <- term used intentionally instead of "transgender" to highlight the post-srs surgery) got angry when their doctor suggested a prostate screening to check for signs of cancer. Imagine the absurdity of this person going "How dare you say that I have a prostate? I am a woman!". One thing is to be intentionally misgendered, one thing is to deny the obvious effects that one's genetic markup has on their own body.
Why is it important to use these labels here? Because you can go on BreastNexuS and tell GFs to use fenugreek to increase bust size from day one, but you can't do the same here, even if a user of this forum identifies as female from day one. Their physiology is just not the same. I think that we should all see this as a safe space where we give for taken that a reference to our genetic sex is not an insult but a way to level the ground to understand how to get similar results. It's easy to identify the people who openly insult others, but it's important that the communication remains open and frank.
And, Lara, I disagree on the "English isn't my first language either. Nothing's stopping people from learning it except ignorance and laziness or sheer stuopidity. None of which are on short supply.". Not knowing English is not a matter of being lazy or stupid. It is a matter of not knowing it well, or not realising that we don't know it well enough. While everyone knows the basic "Hello", not everyone understands the nuances of "allyship language". If we want this community to thrive and help as many people as possible finding their way through breast growth and potentially gender discovery, we can't exclude those who try dipping their feet into this world for the first time.
I love when someone posts something like "Long time lurker, I never had the courage to post, but I want to introduce myself...". I remember the euphoria that came from finally being able to speak about my inclinations and my desire for breasts. I know how important my first post on BN has been for my personal growth. And I would really love that people feel free to post here without having to worry that someone will read their post, find something unintentionally offensive, and start attacking them.
And, to answer @flamesabers question, which is something I rarely do, we can KEEP, not MAKE, BN a safe and inclusive space by guiding instead of fighting or insulting those users who have just begun their journey and that trusted this space enough to open themselves to the world. Confrontation doesn't help. (I am not saying that Flamesabers did it, but I am sure that threads like this one could discourage newcomers from posting)
There are a lot of people who are intersex, some say up to 7% of the population, but the vast majority still falls within the standard XY and XX genotypes. Those are the GM and GG (should be GM (genetic males) and GF (genetic females), to be honest, since Girl is a social term that has to do with gender and not with gender and not with biology). The AMAB and AFAB definitions only tell part of the story because intersex pople are usually assigned M or F at birth anyway.
One can hold the grudge against nature, against a god, against their parents... as much as they want for their genetic markup, but that is there to stay, and it will drive the physiological responses to whatever is injected, eaten, and quite possibly felt for the rest of their life. One may not like it, but it is important. I seriously struggle to understand how one person, in a forum like this or in a medical environment, can get angry against clinical facts. It's as if a post-SRS transex woman ( <- term used intentionally instead of "transgender" to highlight the post-srs surgery) got angry when their doctor suggested a prostate screening to check for signs of cancer. Imagine the absurdity of this person going "How dare you say that I have a prostate? I am a woman!". One thing is to be intentionally misgendered, one thing is to deny the obvious effects that one's genetic markup has on their own body.
Why is it important to use these labels here? Because you can go on BreastNexuS and tell GFs to use fenugreek to increase bust size from day one, but you can't do the same here, even if a user of this forum identifies as female from day one. Their physiology is just not the same. I think that we should all see this as a safe space where we give for taken that a reference to our genetic sex is not an insult but a way to level the ground to understand how to get similar results. It's easy to identify the people who openly insult others, but it's important that the communication remains open and frank.
And, Lara, I disagree on the "English isn't my first language either. Nothing's stopping people from learning it except ignorance and laziness or sheer stuopidity. None of which are on short supply.". Not knowing English is not a matter of being lazy or stupid. It is a matter of not knowing it well, or not realising that we don't know it well enough. While everyone knows the basic "Hello", not everyone understands the nuances of "allyship language". If we want this community to thrive and help as many people as possible finding their way through breast growth and potentially gender discovery, we can't exclude those who try dipping their feet into this world for the first time.
I love when someone posts something like "Long time lurker, I never had the courage to post, but I want to introduce myself...". I remember the euphoria that came from finally being able to speak about my inclinations and my desire for breasts. I know how important my first post on BN has been for my personal growth. And I would really love that people feel free to post here without having to worry that someone will read their post, find something unintentionally offensive, and start attacking them.
And, to answer @flamesabers question, which is something I rarely do, we can KEEP, not MAKE, BN a safe and inclusive space by guiding instead of fighting or insulting those users who have just begun their journey and that trusted this space enough to open themselves to the world. Confrontation doesn't help. (I am not saying that Flamesabers did it, but I am sure that threads like this one could discourage newcomers from posting)